Route 91 Survivor Among Those Killed in Borderline Bar Shooting

Route 91 Survivor Among Those Killed in Borderline Bar Shooting

A California gun law might have stopped the bar massacre. Why wasnt it used?

The landmark gun violence restraining order was designed to handle at-risk individuals, but is rarely implemented

After a mass shooting four years ago, the state passed a new law where courts could be asked to temporarily bar an at-risk person from owning guns.

Ventura County Sheriffs Sgt. Ron Helus, 54, was identified as one of the 12 killed, while others still remain unaccounted for. Its estimated that 40 to 50 families were at the unification center at 1375 E. Janss Rd., hoping to hear from loved ones who may have been at the Borderline Bar & Grill when the mass shooting took place. 

Video: 1 October survivors also at bar during Thousand Oaks shooting

Read more The massacre in Thousand Oaks, California, has troubling parallels to the 2014 shooting, experts said, highlighting the fact that Californias three-year-old gun violence restraining order law is still rarely used.

A night that shouldve been filled with dancing & laughter turned tragic by senseless violence — our hearts are heavy for the people of Thousand Oaks and everyone affected by the mass shooting at the Borderline Bar, which took 12 lives including @VENTURASHERIFF Sergeant Ron Helus pic.twitter.com/7FmY3kw5mc

Passed in the wake of the 2014 Isla Vista shooting, the new law was designed to close gaps in existing laws on mental health and violence – gaps that had allowed the Isla Vista shooter, Elliot Rodger, to legally own guns, despite a history of disturbing behavior that had alarmed his family and prompted a welfare check from law enforcement.

The thoughts and prayers of the LAPD are with everyone tragically effected by the mass shooting in #ThousandOaks. 11 innocent people senselessly murdered, including @VENTURASHERIFF Sgt Ron Helus who was the 1st deputy on scene and heroically sacrificed his life to save others. pic.twitter.com/dXNgZxE7Tc

In both the Isla Vista and Thousand Oaks shootings, law enforcement officials had contact with the shooter before the attack, but had determined that they did not meet the criteria to be involuntarily detained for further mental health assessment.

….Great bravery shown by police. California Highway Patrol was on scene within 3 minutes, with first officer to enter shot numerous times. That Sheriff’s Sergeant died in the hospital. God bless all of the victims and families of the victims. Thank you to Law Enforcement.

The California gun violence restraining order law, which went into effect in 2016, was supposed to bridge the gap, giving law enforcement or family members tools to disarm someone showing signs of dangerous behavior, even if their behavior does not warrant immediate detention.

The entire LA Kings organization is deeply shaken by this senseless and horrific act on one of our local communities. Our thoughts are with the victims and their families. We wish all the people of Thousands Oaks strength and peace and we share in their sadness and grief.

2:17 California shooting: The last thing I said was: Son, I love you – video report The idea of the gun violence restraining order is that you dont have to wait until someone is immediately dangerous and threatening someone, if there are behavioral indications of risk. The idea is to intervene upstream, said Jeff Swanson, a Duke University researcher and one of the nations leading experts on mental health and violence.

Heartbroken over the awful tragedy and unthinkable loss of life in Thousand Oaks. Let’s agree as Americans: We cannot continue allowing gun violence to threaten our freedom and security and steal young people’s innocence and joy.

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Its an approach to gun violence prevention that has attracted increasing bipartisan support since the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, this February, which left 17 people dead. The 19-year-old Parkland shooter had a long history of troubled behavior and contact with law enforcement. The FBI received two separate warnings about threatening statements from the shooter, but failed to fully follow up on either.

Pepperdine officials are working with authorities and will provide updates as more information is available. The University offers its deepest condolences and is praying for everyone involved in tonight’s tragic events. (2/2)

Video: Dozen killed in California bar shooting

Gun violence restraining orders, also known as extreme risk protection orders, are meant to enable people who are most likely to know that someone is at risk of harming themselves or others to take action, to remove the most lethal form of harm for them, Anderman said.

"God bless all of the victims and families of the victims. Thank you to Law Enforcement." — President Donald J. Trump on last nights horrific shooting in Thousand Oaks, California pic.twitter.com/nUKfqu9yp7

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Read more The laws only allow guns to be confiscated temporarily, provide ways for those targeted by the orders to contest them in court, and include penalties for anyone who tries to abuse the orders.

Condolences poured in Thursday morning as Southern Californians awoke to the news that 12 people were killed, including a sheriffs sergeant, when a gunman opened fire in a Thousand Oaks bar late Wednesday night.

Since Parkland, eight states, including Florida, have passed new versions of these laws. Five of these bills were signed by Republican governors. The Trump White House has endorsed the policy, encouraging more states to pass these laws at the state level.

But experts say enforcement of the landmark law has lagged in California, and many people are still unaware that it exists.

There are a lot of law enforcement officers in this state who have never heard of the gun violence restraining order, said Allison Anderman, the managing attorney at the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, who is working to improve implementation of the law.

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Theres nothing at the state level that Im aware of that requires officers to be trained in this law.

Read more Meek played water polo for Cal Lutheran and had planned to go to San Diego this coming weekend for the retirement party of his dad, a Navy Seal. Meek also worked at the bar with his sister and fellow Cal Lutheran student, Victoria Rose Meek, who survived, Ellis said.

In 2014, prompted by concern from his parents and counselor over disturbing videos he had posted online, deputies from the Santa Barbara sheriffs office visited 22-year-old Rodger, but found him calm, shy and polite. Rodger told them his mother was a worry wart.

He was a very, very big personality and had a very, very gorgeous smile, she said, adding that he had once considered becoming a police officer. I dont think in all the years Ive known him, and its almost 30, I ever heard him say no to someone.

When sheriffs deputies visited the home of the Thousand Oaks shooter, 28-year-old Ian David Long, this April, they found him somewhat irate and acting a little irrationally, but determined he did not meet the criteria to be involuntarily detained for further mental health assessment, the Ventura county sheriff, Geoff Dean, said on Thursday.

Survivors footage emerges from inside Californian bar where gunman killed 12

Long opened fire at a Thousand Oaks bar popular with college students on Wednesday night, leaving 12 people dead, including a 25-year veteran of the sheriffs department. He used a 45-caliber Glock handgun that had been purchased legally, the sheriff said.

0:45 Guys, run, go: man films as California gunman opens fire in bar – video Long was known among his neighbors for breaking things and kicking holes in the walls of the home he shared with his mother, the Los Angeles Times reported.

They talked about how there was all this anger, but he didnt fit the criteria for an involuntary commitment. That is the sweet spot for where we think this tool should be used, said Christian Heyne, the legislative director for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, an advocacy group that has been at the forefront of pushing for gun violence restraining orders across the country.

Video: At least 11 injured in shooting at California bar

While it was too early to make definitive statements about what role a gun violence restraining order might have been played in preventing the Thousand Oaks shooting, Heyne said: There are a lot of places in California that are in desperate need for law enforcement to be trained, not only on the mechanism itself and how it works, but where it can be useful, what sort of gaps this can fill.

Photos on Orfanoss Facebook page show the former Eagle Scout with friends at ballgames or at work. Some photos are embellished with patriotic graphics and another marks the anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Video: At least 11 injured in shooting at California bar

Some efforts to improve training were already under way, he said, including one led by the San Diego city attorneys office.

Facebook Twitter Pinterest Ron Helus. Photograph: Handout/Reuters Ventura county sheriffs sergeant Ron Helus was talking to his wife when calls started coming in about a shooting at the Borderline Bar & Grill.

Video: At least 11 injured in shooting at California bar

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An investigation by the Sacramento Bee found that California courts had issued gun violence restraining orders fewer than 200 times in the first two years after the law went into effect.

Here are my words: I want gun control, his mother, Susan Schmidt-Orfanos, said, her voice shaking with grief and rage after learning her son was killed. I dont want prayers. I dont want thoughts.

Video: At least 11 injured in shooting at California bar

In press conferences on Thursday, the Ventura county sheriffs office made no mention of a gun violence restraining order related to Longs case. A spokesman for the sheriffs did not immediately respond to requests for comment on whether law enforcement officials there had sought a gun violence restraining order for Long, or whether there had been any discussion of pursuing an order.

0:38 Mother of California shooting victim: I dont want prayers … I want gun control – video She said wants Congress to pass gun control so no one else has a child that doesnt come home.

In Ventura county, California courts issued just one gun violence restraining order in 2016, and three in 2017, according to the Sacramento Bee investigation.

What happened in this situation – why law enforcement didnt take the step to get a gun violence restraining order after this individual was not committed – is I think something that were all waiting to hear about, Anderman said.

Navy veteran Telemachus Orfanos, 27, was murdered at Borderline Bar in Thousand Oaks just a year after escaping Americas worst ever mass shooting

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